| Marathon Dude |
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Anyone know where I can find an American Record Progression for the Marathon? |
| gramthlete |
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Google is always a good place to look for information. Men (as of September 1, 2010) Time Name (State) Date Location 2:05:38 . Khalid Khannouchi (NY) . April 14, 2002 . London 2:07:01 . Khannouchi - 2. October 22, 2000 . Chicago 2:08:47 . Bob Kempainen (MN) . April 18, 1994 .Boston 2:08:52 . Alberto Salazar (OR) . April 19, 1982 .Boston 2:09:28 . Bill Rodgers (MA) . April 16, 1979 .Boston 2:09:56 . Rodgers - 2 . April 21, 1975 .Boston 2:10:30 . Frank Shorter (CO) . December 3, 1972 .Fukuoka 2:11:13 . Eamon O’Reilly (DC) . April 20, 1970 .Boston 2:13:28 . Kenny Moore (OR) . December 7, 1969 .Fukuoka 2:14:28 . Leonard Edelen (MN) . June 15, 1963 .Chiswick 2:18:57 . Edelen - 2 . December 2, 1962 .Fukuoka 2:20:14 . John J. Kelley (MA) .May 22, 1960 .Yonkers http://www.chicagomarathon.com/CMS400Min/uploadedFiles/Chicago_Marathon/Press_Center/5_WORLD%20and%20U.S.%20RECORDS.pdf |
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5 of the 12 records on this list are from Boston yet Hall's run from 2011 is not on there. I understand there were ideal conditions including a crazy tailwind but if a course counts in bad weather it should count in good weather too. This is like saying they'll only count records from London if the temps are above 70F. It doesn't make sense. |
| BillCarr |
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The list appears to be through September 2010, before Hall's Boston race. |
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Yes the list was made before Hall's run, but Hall's 2:04 isn't a record, and wouldn't make the list even if the list was compiled today. Why? Was the Boston course changed in the years since those records made the list? |
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Boston now is longer than in past years. Rodgers' 75 run was in nearly identical conditions to Hall's. If Rodgers held the AR for the marathon, then Hall holds it now. Simple as that. |
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Apparently its not as simple as that. Rodgers did hold the AR, and Hall doesn't (officially.) What happened since the last guy set an American record in Boston, and Hall's 2:04? Did regulations change, or become implemented in the mean time? Was the course changed in the mean time to no longer be compliant with record setting rules? If so, why? |
| yogibear |
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In the spring of 1981 Dick Beardsley ran 2:09:37 on a long course at Grandma's. The correct distance would have been 2:09:10. In the fall of 1981 Alberto Salazar ran 2:08:13 on a short course at New York. The correct distance would have been 2:08:40 |
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I recall (perhaps inaccurately) that around the time point to point courses and certain slightly downhill courses were reclassified as "not record-worthy", Pat Petersen held the AR in 2:10:something, and later Jerry Lawson broke it going 2:09:something. Maybe someone who remembers better can correct me. Much of the entries of the aforementioned list would be marked with an asterisk. Also, I think Kempainen's 2:08:47 was heavily wind-aided at Boston, and I don't think it was ever considered an AR. |
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________ Interesting that in his recent book, 14 Minutes, Salazar does not even mention the later dispute over the legitimacy of that record (saying it was a WR). One can dismiss the dipute, be philosopical about it, whatever, but you would think he would at least address it. |
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Apparently its not as simple as that. Rodgers did hold the AR, and Hall doesn't (officially.) What happened since the last guy set an American record in Boston, and Hall's 2:04? Did regulations change, or become implemented in the mean time? Was the course changed in the mean time to no longer be compliant with record setting rules? If so, why?[/quote] I should have inserted a 'should' in there. To the extent that there is an American Record in the Marathon, Hall owns it. That said, in my opinion, there is no American Record in the Marathon, just as there is no American Record for XC. |