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| phamphee |
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I do not think two men or two women should get married. I really only see people mocking this opinion, and acting like it is entirely invalid. My friends joke about how ignorant it is to not support gay marriage, and I just have to play along because I don't want a heated "debate" about who is right or wrong. It just doesn't seem right to me. I can think about it all I want, approach it from every rational viewpoint, and I can understand the other side of this argument, but when it boils down, there is nothing substantial to go with other than what I feel. Why exactly do two people of the same sex need to engage in an activity that has very little meaning beyond its tradition, a tradition which they are not a part of? The majority of states now recognize civil unions between same sex partners the same way they recognize marriages for the purposes of things like taxes and insurance, isn't that enough? I don't get why everyone should have access to everything. Sexual orientation is not a big deal to me, but protecting an institution much older than almost any that are still so popular is important to me. If I could I would make the divorce laws in this country much more stringent as well, as I do appreciate the fact that a high divorce rate is just as corrosive to the foundation of the significance of marriage as it would be to allow a broader spectrum of relationships to qualify. Marriage, to me, is the product of a deep love between a man and a woman. Why does it seem that so many intellectual people in this country attack that view with such venom? I can recognize the reason same sex couples would like to be married, and simply say that the tradition of marriage weighs more heavily than their desire to partake in it. I hate that this viewpoint is so unwelcome in discussion in many forums (especially around where I live in the Northeast), it makes me very curious as to why the result of my thought process is so radically different than the majority of people around me. I just would like to understand why so many people shake out on the extremely pro-gay marriage side of this argument, while most anti-gay marriage supporters tend to be more reserved about their beliefs (despite, if I am not mistaken, holding at least an equal, if not slight majority within this country) It does not seem like a meaningless distinction to me, marriage is largely a traditional ceremony, and much less a legal one, so why is the tradition deemed so irrelevant by so many? |
| Koneko |
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Uh yeah, you're wrong. You sound like a sad sack authoritarian. You need to ask yourself why you're so obsessed with the personal lives of private individuals. |
| seriously dude |
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Yes, it is okay. The left wants tolerance, except when people don't agree with them. Even though the majority seems to be against gay marriage, the media and so many people want you to believe that the majority are actually the whackos. |
| Koneko |
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"The majority of people" also elect politicians who commit murder, thievery, and support the genocide of Semitic/Caucasian Palestinian peoples. Nice try bub. |
| md5 |
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No, you're not alone. You have to realize that views on the internet are very slanted to be pro-gay. You mention discussion forums -- I'm assuming you are referring to online ones? I agree with your viewpoint on the immorality of it, but I also support the gays' right to get married (or whatever they want to call it), and to have whatever government benefits come from that. Because while there is a LOT of behavior out there that I don't condone (even including heavy drinking, swearing, and drugs), I support others' rights to make these decisions, as long as they don't give me crap for not thinking the same exact way they do (once they start that -- like a lot of atheists do -- then I get irritated). I don't give people crap for not being a Christian or straight so I don't want any in return for not being an atheist or thinking homosexuality is morally acceptable. I guess most people would find me a contradiction in that I can so strongly support others' rights to do whatever they want (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone) while at the same time finding these behaviors repugnant. It may even shock most, but if someone wants to "marry" an animal, go ahead and make it legal, but don't shove it in my face. |
| quanka |
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Don't try to take misery away from them. They deserve it as much as straight people do. Don't be so selfish. Spread it around, man. Spread it, maaaaaaannnnnnn. |
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I think this is the biggest problem - everybody is shoving it in our faces. There are so many pro-gay messages out there that say that anybody who doesn't agree with this must be an intolerant bigot and is full of hate and doesn't support equal rights. Somehow, the gay agenda has gained so much momentum that lots and lots of people have taken it upon themselves to champion for it in a very proactive way. If people really care about civil rights the way they claim they do, they would be very proactively standing up for women oppressed in certain religions, women sold into sex slavery, children forced to work in sweatshops, children forced to join militant groups overseas, and such. Those people are truly suffering, moreso than Americans who do not receive the financial or social benefits of marriage. But no, the big thing everybody tries to support is gay marriage, instead of real social justice and equity.
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Here, it is wrong to not support gay mileage. |
| lol wut |
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Yeah, how dare they try to get their message out about how they are oppressed! America can oppress whoever they want! Why should everyone have equal rights? |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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I am gay. I personally have no interest in getting married but would like the government and other entities to recognize partner rights in civil unions. Gays want to get married to show commitment, for tax benefits, and to have legal rights with end if life decisions and other things. Though i personally see no point in marriage aside from legal rights, i HATE that the government is trying to legislate marriage. Marriage is typically a religious ceremony performed in a church. If 2 men or 2 women can find a church to perform this ceremony, why does the government have any say? Isn't there a seperation between church and state? The concept of marriage was originally to show committment to family and friends in the eyes if God. The effen federal and state governments need to stoo trampling on our rights. If i did choose to marry, would it harm anyone? Would it diminish your marriage? No...and certainly not more that the 50% divorce rate diminishes the value of your marriage.
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100-200 years from now people in this country will look back and wonder why we refused to give gays the right to marry, just like now most people cannot fathom the thought that slavery was once allowed in this country, and that just 50 years the Jim Crow laws were abolished. |
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Marriage in general is a silly institution. If I feel like living with someone, I am free to do so. What's the point of getting some certification from the state to do something that I'm free to do on my own anyway? |
| Jeff Wigand |
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How is your discomfort with a relationship basis for not allowing anyone else to partake in it? I wouldn't be comfortable if my 18 year-old son wanted to marry a 92 year old woman. it just doesn't seem right to me. Should I push to make that illegal? |
| sdfsdfsfds |
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All nations that have gone the way of Sodom have historically collapsed in violent form. |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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Your hatred makes you a pathetic human being, and God help you if you claim to be "christian", because guess what d-bag, you are not. |
| kl234 |
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Examples? |
| hiinEnkelte |
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Wow. Everything meaningful, full of value, honor, duty--right over your head. |
| sdfsdfsfds |
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Your hatred makes you a pathetic human being, and God help you if you claim to be "christian", because guess what d-bag, you are not.[/quote] No? Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Why did He destroy the entire Antediluvian world? Was that un-Christian of Him? |
| playsfortheotherteam |
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You need some biblical context of Sodom and Gomorrah. It wasn't really about homosexuality. If you read the bible you would understand this. Crawl back in your miserable hole and consider... if you say you hate gays like most right wing conservatives, what are the chances you harbour secret same sex feelings like so many right wing conservatives.
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| jorvack |
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Q: Are you married? Q: Do you value your marriage? If you do value your own marriage why would you bar others from legally benefiting from it? If you don't value marriage why would you bar others from it? If murderers can get married and thieves and racists and rapists why can't gays? Or does you religious and legal beliefs allow for the acceptance of murderers thieves racists and rapists and not gays. |