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bewildered
Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:27PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I am a high school coach, and one of my assistants wants to miss a meet, a home meet where we are the officials. I think it is wrong, but don't want to cause an uproar to my team. This isn't the first incident of stuff this year. I am thinking of cutting him loose at the end of the season.
sorry but this is our world
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:33PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you want to do this young person a favor give him a choice, either stay for his job, or don't come back. This is what is really, really wrong with our sport. Can you imagine an assistant basketball coach telling the head coach that he will miss the game so he can go play rec ball. If we do not have respect for our sport then who will.

Good luck.
[sarcasm]
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:38PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Discussing personnel issues on a message board is the mark of a true professional. Anonymously discussing staff with random strangers is an important tactic that is missing from too many managers' toolboxes. I commend you, sir.
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RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:39PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
either you are a coach, or you are an athlete. trying to be both means you are neither.

the above poster is correct. track is a step child. no cuts. kids missing meets for family spring break vacations. kids missing championship meets for prom.

all in, or not in at all. make your choice
keeponrollin
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:39PM - in reply to sorry but this is our world Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
is he a good coach otherwise? Does he get paid? Is he an elite runner or just a guy?

I used to miss a meet once or twice a year to race. However, I made more racing than I did coaching, so I thought it was fine.
jaygeta
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:40PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
When you begin coaching it outweighs your own running, he needs a priority check as the athletes races are greater than his(or should be). I would talk to him, if it continues do a 1 warning or yer done...then get rid of him.
Trollist
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:44PM - in reply to sorry but this is our world Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

sorry but this is our world wrote:

If you want to do this young person a favor give him a choice, either stay for his job, or don't come back. This is what is really, really wrong with our sport. Can you imagine an assistant basketball coach telling the head coach that he will miss the game so he can go play rec ball. If we do not have respect for our sport then who will.

Good luck.


This is among the worst advice I have ever seen on this forum.
clueless control freak
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:46PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

bewildered wrote:

I am a high school coach, and one of my assistants wants to miss a meet, a home meet where we are the officials. I think it is wrong, but don't want to cause an uproar to my team. This isn't the first incident of stuff this year. I am thinking of cutting him loose at the end of the season.


Yeah I'm sure you can find someone from the chess club to replace him.
VF Runner
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 6:50PM - in reply to jaygeta Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Did you hire him? Did he discuss continuing his own running/racing at that point? Did you tell him you would work with it and it was ok?

Yes to those means you should have put more thought into it. Yes to the first, but you didn't ask the rest means you should have put more thought into it.
Rocket Man
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 7:02PM - in reply to keeponrollin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Is he paid or is he a volunteer? I have been coaching 13 years in H.S and have never missed a meet or practice. That's the example I set for our team. If he is a volunteer that is probably O.K as he would be giving up his time to help the team. I make it easy for my volunteer coaches as they are a invaluable resource and have many other things going on in their life’s. But if a he is a paid assistant get rid of him.
BS
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 7:22PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you can find someone better next year and you think that missing the meet is a product of bad or not caring attitude, then fine cut him loose after this year and you will be better for it.

However, most asst coaching positions pay squat and with many schools not hiring you may be stuck with something worse. Better be careful you are not letting the baby out with the bathwater.
or.......
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 8:12PM - in reply to BS Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I knew some guys on a cross-country team where the coach cancelled a meet so the girls team could get ready to go to prom, not be at prom, just get ready for prom ( or homecoming , whatever) how freaking sad is that?
Guldens Gulch
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 8:19PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
As elitist as it sounds, it depends on how good he is. My high school girl's team had an Olympian as the assistant coach, and it was obviously fine if she missed a random relay meet to race in Brussels. If the guy misses a small thing like this to go to a meaningful race, I think that's fine. If it's part of a pattern of not caring about races, you need to talk to him and let him know that you're upset.
MMarauder
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 8:35PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
My Coach sends us to races with an Asst Coach sometimes so he can compete in local road races.
yep, depends
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 8:49PM - in reply to Guldens Gulch Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Guldens Gulch wrote:

As elitist as it sounds, it depends on how good he is. My high school girl's team had an Olympian as the assistant coach, and it was obviously fine if she missed a random relay meet to race in Brussels. If the guy misses a small thing like this to go to a meaningful race, I think that's fine. If it's part of a pattern of not caring about races, you need to talk to him and let him know that you're upset.


Yep. My local team has a similar situation. The coach isn't an Olympian, but she's not far from that level. Very occasionally, she leaves the team with the assistant coaches so she can compete. She's a great coach and all involved are more than fine with the situation.

So, yeah, it depends on how good the coach is. Is he missing the meet to try to get his trials qualifier, or is he missing the meet to run 18 minutes at some local fun run?
luv2run
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 10:10PM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Going to assume the coach is not an Olympian going to race in Brussels.

I go with the "you committed to being here and we need you as an official". If you give him a choice and he chooses to run and miss the meet, cut him loose.

Tell the team the truth.
naming one
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/29/2012 10:14PM - in reply to luv2run Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Let him run the damn race you idiot.


Do you want him to never race again?

You're an idiot.
iffy jiffy
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/30/2012 4:57AM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
That's tricky... In my 6 years of coaching & competing, I've never thought of missing a meet to compete on my own. If it was an optional weekend morning practice for the athletes and I had a meet, that was one thing.. but never a meet.

But the OP has yet to tell us if this guy is out making money in his races or if he's a volunteer or paid assistant
Mr. Spock
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/30/2012 6:01AM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
dpmrunner
RE: Asst. coach wants to miss a meet to run a race 4/30/2012 6:10AM - in reply to bewildered Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

bewildered wrote:
I am a high school coach, and one of my assistants wants to miss a meet, a home meet where we are the officials. I think it is wrong, but don't want to cause an uproar to my team. This isn't the first incident of stuff this year. I am thinking of cutting him loose at the end of the season.


When you say this isn't the first incident "of stuff," it sounds as if there's a pattern of wrongdoing of various kinds--i.e. does he routinely blow off the team practices and meets or do other things that suggest indifference to the team's interests?

Do the team members respect him and does he work well with them when he's there? That can be huge--if there's good rapport, it's not so easy to find that... better the troubles you know than those you don't...

But if besides this issue, there are problems with team members not responding well to him, that's a symptom of problems deeper than his wanting to race on the day of the meet in question.

Also as others have mentioned, if he's an elite runner and this race is important--i.e. an Olympic Trials qualifier or even the chance to score money in a major race--it's worth cutting him some slack. The status of having someone with that kind of credential shouldn't be overlooked.

If you haven't already, maybe it's time to have a talk with him about his racing schedule vs. the team's meet schedule. Is there some room for compromise? Can the two of you work out some mutually agreeable arrangement that allows him to run some races as long as he can be there for most meets and practices?

Best not to make the decision to drop him lightly b/c how much guarantee do you have that a replacement would do better?
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