tooGUCCI
US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 11:37AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
whhyyyyy?
wineturtle
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 12:04PM - in reply to tooGUCCI Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The IAAF tules say the outgoing legs line up in order of the incoming runners as they hit the 100m(top of straight?) to go mark and must stay in that position even if the lead changes in that final 100 for the incomming runner- or somesuch language
I've followed Athletics since the 1950's and never saw this called...
did you mean the...
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 12:07PM - in reply to wineturtle Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
...IAAF tools


wineturtle wrote:

The IAAF tules say the outgoing legs line up in order of the incoming runners as they hit the 100m(top of straight?) to go mark and must stay in that position even if the lead changes in that final 100 for the incomming runner- or somesuch language
I've followed Athletics since the 1950's and never saw this called...
uh_no
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 12:44PM - in reply to wineturtle Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

wineturtle wrote:

The IAAF tules say the outgoing legs line up in order of the incoming runners as they hit the 100m(top of straight?) to go mark and must stay in that position even if the lead changes in that final 100 for the incomming runner- or somesuch language
I've followed Athletics since the 1950's and never saw this called...


then should not the other team with whom they switched also be dq-ed since they also switched? It takes two
Brian Wave
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 12:47PM - in reply to tooGUCCI Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Whiny Brit bitches that's why.
Reality Bath
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 1:01PM - in reply to Brian Wave Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Now the results show no DQ.
did you mean the...
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 1:38PM - in reply to uh_no Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

uh_no wrote:

then should not the other team with whom they switched also be dq-ed since they also switched? It takes two

If you required "it takes two" to get a DQ you could wind up DQing someone for being pushed out of the way, no?
Yes two guys could consent to change and both would then be in violation.
T&F Board is saying it was called on GBR's womans4x400 at Commonwealth Games '06 (and that it was GBR that lodged the protest). They also say positions fixed at the 200 to go mark outdoors.
malacoochie
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 1:44PM - in reply to did you mean the... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
reinstated.

The Poms are the absolute worst when it comes to this stuff.
slowcoach
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 1:52PM - in reply to malacoochie Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
weren't the English womens team DQd in a Commonwealth Games 4x400m final a few years ago for not lining up in the correct order?
did you mean the...
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 1:53PM - in reply to did you mean the... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

did you mean the... wrote:

If you required "it takes two" to get a DQ you could wind up DQing someone for being pushed out of the way, no?
Yes two guys could consent to change and both would then be in violation.
T&F Board is saying it was called on GBR's womans4x400 at Commonwealth Games '06 (and that it was GBR that lodged TODAYS protest). They also say positions fixed at the 200 to go mark outdoors.

fixed
Brian Wave
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 2:04PM - in reply to malacoochie Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Every 4x4 run in the US would have a DQ if the international rule were enforced strictly. Teams switch multiple times with legs coming down the stretch.
naughtybynature
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 3:02PM - in reply to tooGUCCI Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Because the American soldier killed 16 innocent Afghans.
All I do is win win win
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 4:19PM - in reply to tooGUCCI Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Someone better inform the US coaches of this before London because if they're acting like this for indoor, if you sneeze the wrong they'll DQ you.

Also maybe we should put our fastest legs first to get a lead and avoid this BS.

The rule hurts those usually in the lead the most, which is always the U.S.
TrackCoach
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 4:43PM - in reply to All I do is win win win Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There should be a lot of DQs becasue actually happens quite a bit...sorta like taking step inside the rail.
ukathleticscoach
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 4:59PM - in reply to tooGUCCI Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Correctly overuled. You needed something after our girls trounced you!
Whoever
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 5:34PM - in reply to ukathleticscoach Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
And to be fair it was a stupid American who has uk nationalisation cos he isn't good enough for you that damn well let you overtake so easy lol

Actually this rule is enforced within low level club meets in the uk, so in reality you Americans as usual bending the rules :-)
aussiepie
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 5:56PM - in reply to Whoever Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Whoever wrote:

And to be fair it was a stupid American who has uk nationalisation cos he isn't good enough for you that damn well let you overtake so easy lol

Actually this rule is enforced within low level club meets in the uk, so in reality you Americans as usual bending the rules :-)


Actually the only place they are enforced is in England.

But quite often Britannia Waives the Rules.

For themselves. A nation of cross dressers and drunks. And more often drunken cross dressers.
trollism
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 6:15PM - in reply to aussiepie Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

aussiepie wrote:

Actually the only place they are enforced is in England.

But quite often Britannia Waives the Rules.

For themselves. A nation of cross dressers and drunks. And more often drunken cross dressers.


Bit rich given that the only time I've seen this rule enforced at an international level was when Tamsyn Lewis balled her eyes out about it at the Commonwealths in 2006.

That was in Australia by the way.
JoeGarland
RE: US is DQ'd from 4x400? 3/11/2012 7:17PM - in reply to trollism Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
From Wikipedia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Ohuruogu#2006_Commonwealth_Games_Relay_controversy -- on the 2006 DQ. The site has a photo that suggests the Aussie had to cut to her right, although it's hard to see from the photo how far ahead the Brit No. 2 was to the Aussie No. 2.

At the 2006 Commonwealth Games, Ohuruogu ran the final leg in the 4 x 400 m relay for England. On the second leg with 200 m to go until the third change-over, Jamaica were leading with Australia second and England in third. The rules are that the change over athletes are to line up in order of the position at 200 m. This would have meant that Jamaica would have the inside lane, then Australia with England third from the inside. However, between 200 m and 300 m of the second leg, Nicola Sanders of England overtook Caitlin Willis meaning coming up to the third change, the English team were second, with Australia in third place. Tasha Danvers, the English athlete changed places with the Australian, Tamsyn Lewis. On the home straight, however, Willis and Sanders ran in the 2nd and 3rd lane respectively, and had to change over to pass the baton, as they were obviously aware of the rules. The English team went on to win the race, with Ohuruogu pulling away at the end.
However after the race the Australians were awarded the gold medal, as the English team had breached IAAF Rule 170 when Danvers-Smith changed position with Lewis.
(RULE 170 Relay Races9. The athletes in the third and fourth legs of the 4 x 400 m relay race shall, under the direction of a designated official, place themselves in their waiting position in the same order (inside to out) as the order of their respective team members as they complete 200 m of their legs. Once the incoming athletes have passed this point, the waiting athletes shall maintain their order, and shall not exchange positions at the beginning of the take-over zone. If an athlete does not follow this Rule, his team shall be disqualified.)