exhausted
My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 1:33PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
How can I race well when Im always tired by race day. We have 4 hard days a week! This is our schedule.

Monday- 10 miles with last 2 all out
Tuesday- track workout usually repeat 1000s
Wednesday- 6 miles easy (easy is not really easy just not as hard as the workouts)
Thursday- another workout usually 2x2 mile tempo repeats on the hilliest course my coach could find with 1.5 mile warm up and 1.5 mile cool down
Friday- 5 miles easy
Saturday- 5k race
Sunday- 6 easy
722
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 1:38PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
doesn't seem that bad to me. whats making you run fast on your easy days?
runn
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 1:48PM - in reply to 722 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yeah, really. That doesn't look bad if you're running easy on your easy days.
observeroftings
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 2:28PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The monday session seems crazy to me. It is your longest day of the week, but then you throw in the ridiculous all out last two miles. Cut back on that, and it seems like a normal (relatively speaking) week.
your coach...whiny B
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 2:32PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Take your pink panties off and run you sissy boy!
Running in the Rain
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 2:32PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's not a bad schedule except I would make workout days Monday and Wednesday. Why not do your own thing for the easy runs, who cares if you get dropped? It only really matters how fast you run during a race right?

Also talk to your coach and be respectful.
Magic 8 Ball
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 2:35PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
In order to address this, one question; this is a California high school girls team, right?
Be Smart
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 3:08PM - in reply to Magic 8 Ball Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Stop racing your teammates on the easy days.
info
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 3:36PM - in reply to Be Smart Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Is this College or High School?

10 Miler with last 2 miles all out followed by repeats the next day is probably too much. Going more than 3 hard days a week is also probably too much....especially if all your runs are anaerobic. I love the guys on here who puff their chest out and call others weak or pussies...classic. Please post your pr's.
Are u sure?
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 3:42PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

exhausted wrote:
Monday- 10 miles with last 2 all out



Are the last two miles really supposed to be "all out"? Our coach always used to tell us to try to pick up the pace for the last few miles of our long run, but that was more like tempo pace than all out.
Gonadss
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 3:47PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Since Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday are only 5-6 miles easy, then your coach has some concept of recovery days.
If this training schedule is too hard, I recommend running Wednesday easier, and also taking Sunday completely off. Remember, running is a long process that takes years to develop. You need to start easy and short, then gradually build up mileage and pace of runs.
722
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 4:02PM - in reply to info Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

info wrote:

Is this College or High School?

10 Miler with last 2 miles all out followed by repeats the next day is probably too much. Going more than 3 hard days a week is also probably too much....especially if all your runs are anaerobic. I love the guys on here who puff their chest out and call others weak or pussies...classic. Please post your pr's.


The OP's complaint is that his coach has no concept of recovery days, however there are some supposed "easy" days interspersed in the schedule. If they are supposed to be easy then why would three hard days be too much? Either OP or his coach is at fault for the easy days being too fast.
lease
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 4:11PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not much to add to posts above.

Talk to your coach--privately, not with an "audience"; preferably NOT at practice; and certainly not just before the workout is supposed to begin--and let him/her know that you feel really tired by the day of the meet. Ask his/her opinion of what you might do (or *not* do) to feel peppier, come meet day.

[One thing you can do, if Sunday runs are on your own: do the Sunday running in the morning, so you get a good 30+ hours' rest before Monday's training.]

If you're racing 5,000m, I'll assume you're in college. There should be an opportunity for you to speak, one on one, with the coach.

In the alternative--and, again, just echoing multiple previous posts--stop trying to "win" the practices, and think about winning the meets! [Example: run Thursday's "tempo" session AS A TEMPO--the right pace *for you*, not for anyone else.]
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Another thing you can do: remember that training is a process of stress AND RECOVERY. The most frequent mistake that college runners make is acting as though the practices are the whole of training, and as though for the other 22 hours in a day they can forget about being athletes.

Are you doing everything you can to recover properly? Are you going to bed "today"? (From Cliche 101, a required course in coaching school: "Every hour of sleep before midnight is worth two after midnight.") Are you going to bed and waking about the same times EVERY day, weekends included? Are you getting a solid eight hours' sleep, or more? Are you taking care of your assignments during the day, so that there's no need to stay up late, pull all-nighters, etc.?

In other words: if you're going to ask the coach to make changes if needed, are you willing to do the same?
exhausted
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 5:25PM - in reply to Magic 8 Ball Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The easy pace for the "easy days" is too fast because we have a set "easy pace" that isnt that easy. And this is highschool.
lease
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 6:27PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Okay, where (what State) is your high school? The last State I knew that had a 5,000 for HSers was Connecticut, but they dropped it a few years back IIRC.

Seriously, I'd like to know which State is progressive enough to have a 5,000 during track season--they should be applauded!
max219
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 6:27PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Just ignore your coach and do your recovery days slower than he says.
Queton C.
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/10/2012 6:37PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you take the easy days easy and cut out the 2 all out miles at the end of the 10 miler you should be fine and if these are early season races that do not mean too much you should not feel 100% going into every race. It is good to feel tired going into races and workouts early season. It is late in the season where you should feel sharp and rested. The best thing you can do is to talk to your coach and work out a way for you to train optimally.
NotAWeakAzz
RE: My coach has no concept of recovery days! 3/12/2012 1:35PM - in reply to exhausted Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
My coach does something similar. Stop being a little b!tch and grow up. If you think it's too much, quit, and become a hobby jogger and go to Runners World.