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Don't look now, but.................GATLIN! The guy goes all the way to Turkey, survives the B.S. in the rounds, and wins going away, in a SB, and nearly a WL, essentially equal to his 6.45 PR. Lerone who? Gatlin is brilliant. All he needs to do, IMHO, is to work on his early transition, from his early acceleration phase to his later acceleration phase, and he will have a decent shot at the Olympic final, which would be an unbelievable achievement, considering who is likely to make that final--essentially the 4 fastest guys ever. I haven't seen his race, but I suspect it was almost identical to his 6.47 I think he can improve a bit in 2 areas--his early transition, from early acceleration drive to higher-speed acceleration, and also in his top-end turnover. His stride is of course huge, but he seems to have just a bit of a lag, relative to his roid-fueled glory days. He might want to shorten it just a bit from maybe 40-55, then progressively stride it out for the last 45, maintaining the stride frequency developed from 40-55. I think paying careful attention to his arm action would help him in this endeavor. But WTF do I know--6.46 is excellent, overseas, in a crappy facility. He is in low-9.90 form RIGHT NOW, in MARCH. I hope he peaks at the right time for London. This would have been a 6.44 at altitude or in a better facility and without the travel. Ultimately he is in the best 60m shape of his life. Good year for it, too, and he is at a good age. All things being equal, he is in the same position as Chambers, and spanked him royally. He also left Carter in the dust. Of course I'm still rooting primarily for Gay and Dix at trials, as they aren't caught cheaters--as well as other guys like Demps, Salaam, etc.--but I hope that Gatlin at least waxes that other doper Rodgers. Whatever happens, I could see the rest of the US runners picking up their game now that they see what Gatlin has done. Even though Gatlin is a doper, this is a GREAT result for US sprinting, because success can be contagious. Nesta who? Of course, this is incontrovertible proof that US sprinters live cleaner, eat better, and train harder than their Jamaican counterparts, right Ilemy? Now waiting to see what Demps puts up at NCAA's. Remember in the other thread where I said that he ran well within himself, and nicely controlled, in his 6.47? This 6.46 is more proof of that. I think he can run a 6.45-6.50 any day of the week, at any time. Winning indoor WC's with a controlled race is the best possible outcome. GREAT DAY FOR US MENS SHORT SPRINTS |
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Kimmons, on the other hand, ran out of his mind in his Albuquerque 6.45 It was a one-off, and the best he will ever do. It did not appear controlled, and he got lucky that everything came together as it did that day. I still think that Demps could be a better leadoff man than Kimmons, but at this point I'm REALLY feeling Gatlin for one of the straight relay legs. Can Demps even run a curve? I have no idea. |
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I think the Turkish dude had the advantage of home field. Demps is in NCAA Indoors. He ran 6.52--in the PRELIMS. |
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Vid is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI8ei-w3Z0Y Not great quality, and the race is at the very end of the clip. Although it's hard to tell from the vid, this race looked slightly less controlled, like he was going for the win--and why the heck not, it was the championship final. Or, he could already have been working on his turnover, and thereby earned himself the extra .03 he gained in this race, versus his 6.47(A), which was probably around 6.49 corrected for altitude. Also, his early transition looked better, too--if that's true, then wowza! Again, though, hard to tell in that video. Carter had a good start, but couldn't close. Gatlin was the standout. |
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He'a back on the juice my friend. You're too naive if you think that is possible to run these times coming back from 4 years suspension. |
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Who knows what will happen outdoors, and I almost hate to say it...but I think the USA has a great shot at silver in London even if Gay can't run. Gatlin, Demps, Kimmons, Dix, Rodgers, Salaam, Mitchell...there are plenty to choose from, and some even have great top-end speed. |
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That thought crossed my mind, of course. 4 years is FOREVER in that world. And I also agree that evidence of cleanliness from his lack of positive tests could justifiably be overcome by evidence of his historical bad faith and lack of credibility. But I continue to be amazed and transported by performances on the track, whether they be by Bolt, Gatlin, or whomever. But your underlying point is well-taken. If he IS back on the juice, it would be hilarious if he put up 9.7x this year--or, if the juice is even better than what he had before, 9.6x. Blake opened the door to these types of things last year with his WR 200m but for his crappy RT. Blake? Seriously? Faster over 200m than Carl Lewis? Mike Marsh? Michael Johnson? Tyson Gay? Frankie Fredericks? No way, Jose. Blake's 19.26 was the most important sprint result since Johnson's 9.79 After all, it was BLAKE. At least Bolt has the (illegitimate but popularly accepted) excuse of height. |
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do some research his 19.26 was on widest track on the circuit & respected stat guy in julin gave that as a 19.4+ elsewhere which i agree with knock off something for his rt & it was a 19.3 on a standard track with a 0.15rt on top of that, he ran the perfectly judged 200 his bend was not too slow, it was ~ the perfect bend for ideal energy expenditure of a 200m it is stoopid to go out in 10.1 or 10.2 for a 200 if you are a 20.00 guy - bolt himself runs bend too fast with a ridiculous ~ <10.00 & tyson is even worse in that he isn't as fast over 200 & also trys to go out in ~ 10.0/10.1 the "correct" split to run an ideal 200, with near perfect energy expenditure is 200m = 2*100m split - 0.95 which without knowing yohan's split in his 19.26, i bet, will be very close to that once rt adjusted to ~ 0.15s mj in his 19.32 did run a near perfect race with ideal split of 10.12 for a 19.3 that's how to run an ideal 200 |
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Better vid is up, with slow-mo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCT8FJfwgjc Check out how Gatlin opens it up at around 40m with 2 or 3 huge strides as he transitions. OMG. I think he should do it just a bit sooner, he seems to be running less efficiently in the latter part of his early acceleration, which is why he seems to get that turbo-boost when he transitions to a more efficient form. WOW! He won the race then and there. I didn't see that dramatic a transition in Albuquerque, although it was a similar race. I am totally impressed. I have often said that the 60 and even the 100 are races that you can't really win but that you can only lose by screwing up, unless you are BJ and win it off the blocks...but Gatlin WON this race. He knew he was in a good position, and he reached out and GRABBED it. Maybe he runs better from the front. It would have been interesting to have seen him go up against Clarke, maybe his race would have been more like Albuquerque, and not quite as good, maybe slightly tighter, if Clarke had gotten an early lead. Totally impressive. Not smoothly pulling away like Bolt or Powell--but if he starts slightly earlier and smooths out that transition, he will pull away smoothly, and even more dramatically. Guys like Dix, Carter, etc. should officially be worried about Gatlin. I really hope that he remains healthy. |
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Good top-end speed form for Marc Burns. Probably sub 10 again this season. And T&T looking for medals in 4x100 relay. |
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So what? No one can ever be faster than Carl Lewis, Gay, etc? Why can't Blake be faster than them? |
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No, of course somebody could be faster than them. Just not Blake. Not naturally, anyway, over 100m. Over 60m, yes. Over 100m, no. Over 200m, NO WAY. Sorry. I still believe that Blake will be the sprint sensation of London 2012. |
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I totally agree with Barakus' thoughts about Burns; in fact, I think he looks better than he has in the past. That whole T&T team is so loose, that they're easy to root for. Depending on what happens with Gay and Patton, T&T could be a legitimate shot for silver. I think that Thompson could have beaten out Vicaut for bronze in Daegu, if he'd had the chance, especially with the lane draw. |
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Why can't Blake be faster than them at 100m and 200m? Especially if he could have a better 60m? |
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Check out the slow-mo on the second vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCT8FJfwgjc , starting at about 4:17...watch how, after a worse start, Chambers makes up ground on Gatlin during the latter part of the early acceleration phase, until Gatlin transitions abruptly at about 4:21 in those 2 or 3 huge strides to put serious space between himself and Chambers, and leaving Carter behind, too. This was not Chambers' doing, it was all Gatlin. Where Gatlin can improve is where Chambers was gaining on him in the latter part of early acceleration phase--there is no good reason that Chambers should be gaining on him here; Chambers is not amazing in this phase of the race. Some of Gatlin's form at that point is held-over from his initial drive phase, which is inhibiting him from attaining speed, which is why you see Chambers gaining. If Gatlin transitions just a bit sooner, and maybe a bit smoother, I think he can cut off another solid .03-.04 I just love how he put the race away in those few killer strides. |
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He can be, and he IS, especially at 200m. Just not naturally. He runs the 100 and 200 like Gay, and even has Gayesque turnover. But all other things being equal--which it seems they are (start, turnover, turn), Gay is longer and leaner, and covers more ground. There is no magic in elite men's sprinting--there is no athlete in particular who just has a very much higher power-to-weight ratio than the other elites--something that Blake would require to do what it is he is doing. To do that you need pharma, and the guys who have had it are obvious. Also, consider how young Blake is. To be relatively short, with an inferior start, and so young, and to run a WR 200m but for the RT? NO WAY. Not a chance, especially compared to guys with long stellar careers at 200m like Lewis, Fredericks, and MJ. Of course, he's great to watch. I make no value judgment here, BTW--this stuff is so out of control, that at some point, in the words of Captain Picard, "you just have to bow to the absurd". |
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count me some steps before talking this crap, offer me number of steps tyson ran in his 19.58 & yohan in his 19.26 then we have some numbers to talk about
power/wt ? big words now, kindly give us tyson's weight/bench/squat then give us yohan's weight/bench/squat if you can't, then don't talk crap
drivel Carl ran 19.75 easing down at 22y - 0.21s faster than mennea's 19.96 - & Carl didn't even bother with the 200 until that year yohan at 21y is ole enough
idiot what laws of physiology are you going to quote to support this rubbish ???
moron what proof are you offering against the rock-solid evidence of 19.26 that the aforementioned were better 200 talents even if they had 15y careers ???
idiot off course you have you peabrain can't comprehend that a new talent is superior to ole ones, despite no obvious physical or experience advantages care to explain how your numbskull explains how sally pearson can go 12.28 in touch of seemingly unbeatable 12.21 doped record, when devers with 10.82 speed coudn't go beter than 12.33 ??? |
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Doping is contagious and he is a perfect example that under the current rules it pays to cheat |
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I see Peking Man is back, in style! What's that smell? |
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I see Peking Man is back, in style! What's that smell? |