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rp
IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 2:53PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Membership of the Hall of Fame

To give the Hall of Fame the required stature the IAAF has established very strict requirements for an athlete to even qualify to be considered for membership:

1) Athletes must have won at least two Olympic or World Championships gold medals AND at set least one World record,

2) Athletes must have been retired for at least 10 years at the time of election to the IAAF Hall of Fame

To administer the process of which athletes will be honoured with induction as Members an IAAF Hall of Fame Selection Panel has been created, which is composed of renowned athletics experts who are long-standing members of the Association of Track and Field Statisticians (ATFS).

http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/HOF/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=63839

Discuss...
Shoebacca
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 2:58PM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Uh. Why such strict standards? That basically means they can look at the stat books and just name outright the qualified athletes. There's no need to have a panel.
long sox
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 3:39PM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Good to see they're not letting any hobby joggers in.
My critique
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 3:50PM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Requiring a WR is questionable, especially considering that so many women's WR may be unattainable by anyone who isn't doping.

Given the questions around Jackie Joyner Kersee and Wang Junxia, I'm a bit surprised they got in in the inaugural class.

Doping issues aside, the WR requirement also heavily weights it toward early eras before people really understood the basics of training or technique and WRs were easier to set.
awww hell naw
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 4:45PM - in reply to My critique Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Aw hell naw you jus didn'
umm drum
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 5:06PM - in reply to long sox Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
spyridon louis won the 1896 olympic marathon in 2.58, a pretty pathetic hobby jogger performance by anyones standard. And he's famous for it...

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flagtastic
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 5:34PM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Agree that the WR requirement is complete garbage. What if Bolt puts the 100 record in a place that won't be seen for 20 or 30 years. Nobody in several generations of sprinters can be an IAAF hall of famer. Two GOLD medals is a plenty high barrier to admission.
Wow Unbelievable
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 5:40PM - in reply to flagtastic Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yeah, the WR thing keeps quite a few people out.
Looking at the list Wang is in for geographical distribution purposes. She's the only Asian, just as Brazil's Silva is the only South American.
Seyta
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 6:25PM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rp wrote:

Membership of the Hall of Fame

To give the Hall of Fame the required stature the IAAF has established very strict requirements for an athlete to even qualify to be considered for membership:

1) Athletes must have won at least two Olympic or World Championships gold medals AND at set least one World record,

2) Athletes must have been retired for at least 10 years at the time of election to the IAAF Hall of Fame

To administer the process of which athletes will be honoured with induction as Members an IAAF Hall of Fame Selection Panel has been created, which is composed of renowned athletics experts who are long-standing members of the Association of Track and Field Statisticians (ATFS).

http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/HOF/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=63839

Discuss...


Well...this requirement has made it virtually impossible for any female 10000m, 1500m, or 3000m specialists...

The odds of Wang Junxia or Qu Yunxia's records in those events EVER being broken is virtually zero...
The MonBRO Doctrine
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 6:36PM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
No Paul Tergat or Ron Clarke? That makes the requirements bogus right there.
Another complainer
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 10:18PM - in reply to The MonBRO Doctrine Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A spreadsheet of the eligible athletes would be interesting. I bet it's more sprinters than anything else because the 2 medal requirement favors athletes who can do 2, 3, or 4 events in a single Olympics and 100/200/4x100 (plus long jump, for a few) is the most practical multiple event to do, especially with the modern events. Paavo Nurmi's 5 golds at one Olympics wouldn't be doable for a distance runner with the current events.

Having to medal in successive Olympics seems a lot tougher, although in the dec (basically impossible to double with) Bob Mathias and Daley Thompson did it.
Wow Unbelievable
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 10:51PM - in reply to Another complainer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I wonder if Viren will be in the next set of picks
Wossamotta
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 10:55PM - in reply to Wow Unbelievable Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Actually, the two guys talked about as the next possible IAAF Presidents, Coe and Bubka, both meet the criteria.
Then again, so does Marita Koch. I wonder if they'll have the gall to pick some of the old East Germans.
NUD
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 10:59PM - in reply to Another complainer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Eligible post-WWII distance runners, 800 & up (no marathon)
Zatopek
Coe
El G
Aouita
Kuts
Keino
Viren
Snell
Morceli
Wilson Kipketer
Shaheen
Moses Kiptanui
Geb (after retirement)
Bekele (after retirement)

Notable ineligibles
Ron Clarke: no gold
Ovett: 1 gold
Herb Elliot: 1 gold
Yifter: no WRs
Walker: 1 gold
Mal Whitfield: no WRs
Lagat: no WRs
Komen: 1 gold
Tergat: no gold

I don't have time at the moment to go through all the eligible sprinters and hurdlers but here are the WC era qualifiers, assuming relays counts:
Lewis
MJ
Bolt
Moses
Greene
Colin Jackson
Liu
Kingdom
Young
Reynolds
Smith
Powell
Bailey
Burrell
Marsh

Pretty silly criteria. As others have said, sprinters are favored because of the ease of doubling and the presence of relays. Post-1983 athletes are advantaged by the Worlds gold criterion, though post-90s runners are disadvantaged by the paucity of WRs in standard events. Asbel Kiprop could repeat in London, win a pair more WC titles, run 3:26.01 and be ineligible, while a far more flawed career (Shaheen's, for example) is eligible to be recognized.
Wossamotta
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 11:18PM - in reply to NUD Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Zatopek, Lewis, and Moses have already been picked
52.43
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 11:28PM - in reply to Wow Unbelievable Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Occurred to me as well.
someone had to do it
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/8/2012 11:34PM - in reply to NUD Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
No Jim Ryun, Frank Shorter, Roger Bannister, Bill Rodgers, Joanie Benoit, Mary Slaney....
Sensei
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/9/2012 2:02AM - in reply to My critique Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

My critique wrote:

Requiring a WR is questionable, especially considering that so many women's WR may be unattainable by anyone who isn't doping.

Given the questions around Jackie Joyner Kersee and Wang Junxia, I'm a bit surprised they got in in the inaugural class.

Doping issues aside, the WR requirement also heavily weights it toward early eras before people really understood the basics of training or technique and WRs were easier to set.


My critique to you dumb@ss:

Athletes did NOT understand basics of training and technique earlier. We run faster than ever and has more advantages than ever. The problem is how much harder it gets to break WR everytime they get pushed a little further down. How athletes train today has nothing to do with the problem of demanding a WR.

This hall of fame is ridiculous and nobody will ever care.
erwpjfdsfd
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/9/2012 2:56AM - in reply to rp Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Jeez guys they'll probably relax the standards eventually.
Deanouk
RE: IAAF Hall of Fame standards = ridiculous 3/9/2012 5:25AM - in reply to NUD Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]NUD wrote:

Eligible post-WWII distance runners, 800 & up (no marathon)
Zatopek
Coe
El G
Aouita
Kuts
Keino
Viren
Snell
Morceli
Wilson Kipketer
Shaheen
Moses Kiptanui
Geb (after retirement)
Bekele (after retirement)

Notable ineligibles
Ron Clarke: no gold
Ovett: 1 gold
Herb Elliot: 1 gold
Yifter: no WRs
Walker: 1 gold
Mal Whitfield: no WRs
Lagat: no WRs
Komen: 1 gold
Tergat: no gold

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If this is going to be for the all-time greats, then I think the criteria is very reasonable on the whole. You can't include any athlete that has won a single Olympic or World gold, otherwise there would be hundreds eligible, and it would diminish the whole thing.
Having said that, it's not really fair for those athletes reaching a peak prior to 1983, as they only had one opportunity every 4 years. From 83-91, athletes had 2 chances to win global golds every 4 year cycle, and since 91 athletes have 3 chances every 4 years! This is hardly fair.
I personally think that an Olympic title is equivalent to 2 World titles, and that perhaps anyone who wins 2 lesser medals at the Olympics (silver or bronze) should have that count as an equivalent to 1 World gold.
I also think that if any athlete breaks more than 2 world records, or breaks a world record in more than 1 event, that should also be taken into consideration.

To get around the dubious legitimacy of some records (e.g in women's distance events), then perhaps they could bring in another criteria which is based on a set number of world ranking points over a career, or the number of times an athlete headed the top list for the year.

Ovett should definitely be eligible, and in a time before world championships, he won 2 World Cup golds, when they were the pinnacle of an athlete's season and considered a pre-cursor to the inaugural World Champs in 1983. For me, those 2 World Cup golds are equivalent to World golds, so maybe anyone who won a World Cup gold in the first 3 editions of the competition (77, 79 & 81) could also have their golds considered.

Hope that makes sense.
So, based on what I've said, Ovett would get in due to having 3 global golds (1 Olympic, 2 World Cups) and 5 world records over 3 different distances.

Herb Elliott would also get in because although he only had 1 Olympic gold, he broke 2 world records in 2 events (1500 & Mile), thus compensating for the other gold medal.
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