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Centrowitz is extremely consistent, smooth, and a good finishing kick. But in the Olympic finals, unless hes in the lead at the top of the home stretch, I do not see him kicking down what is likely to be Kiprop and Co. Manzano however has shown that when hes on hes ON. His monster kicks, barely getting beat by Kiprop have come despite bad positioning. If Manzano can have one of his "on" days during the finals, coupled with being in a good position at the top of the home stretch, I say he could out kick anyone. A lot of "if's" especially for Manzano, but I say its more likely than Centrowitz running anyone down. |
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Centro has run enough good races to demonstrate his Olympic bronze was not a fluke. However if Wheating, Monzano and Lomong are at the top of their game in the USOT 1500m finals, I 'personally' don't think Centro makes the team. With that said, Centro rarely runs a bad and the chances of all 3, Wheating, Monzano and Lomong being ready to roll in June is perhaps only 50/50. Also, Dave Torrence has to be in the conversation now. |
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Unfortunately, you're forgetting that Manzano's greatest obstacles to getting the Gold won't actually be the finals, but everything before them. To put it in perspective, Manzano needs to get through the prelims of the US Champs, the finals of the US Champs, and the prelims of the Olympics before he can hope to have an "on day" and outkick the Kenyans (which, incidentally, has all of a 5-6% chance of occurring...) If he has an off-race in any of the 3 scenarios leading up to the Olympic Finals, he'll be done right there. That is, Manzano will need to have 4 on-races to get the gold, or have 1 off-race to lose it. And unfortunately, his ratio seems a bit stacked in favor of the off-races |
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that was like the slowest 1500 i've ever seen. meanwhile Manzano has been training at altitude, this was his big meet! http://blog.mysanantonio.com/the-local-scene/2012/01/manzano-trains-at-altitude-to-prepare-for-upcoming-meets/ |
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Wow, I missed Centro's Olympic bronze performance! I wish someone would post a link to the video for that, it must've been really awesome. |
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Manzano didn't need to run any faster than he had to. A championship race win at this point in the year is a win no matter how you look at it. His eyes are focused on the prize. Come August, no one's gonna care how slow his win was in this race. ps--I've sen some high school JV races slower than this. |
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come august no one will care about Manzano who won't even make it out of the qualifying rounds of the U.S. trials. |
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I agree, manzano isnt fast enough, the real people to look out for in the trials for the 1500 is robby andrews, kyle merber, lashawn merrit, and asbel kiprop |
| orbitboy |
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That's pretty brave of you to predict something like that when you're all anonymous. Put your money where your mouth is. |
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moron. this is an internet message board. 99% of the people posting remain anonymous. If you dont like it, dont visit an internet message board. That guy can predict anything he wants, anonymous or not. I remain anonymous and I predict that you will be a failure in life. |
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Wow, I missed Centro's Olympic bronze performance! I wish someone would post a link to the video for that, it must've been really awesome.[/quote] Oops! |
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manzano trains at altitude, giving him an advantage over centro in this race. centro's more consistent and closed in 51.6 at world's in the final after maybe a 51.4 to win his semifinal. has manzano done that in a race of comparable time? |
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Uh....no. How many teams has Leo made already? Seems like he can pull it together for the big meets.
Unfortunately, you're forgetting that Manzano's greatest obstacles to getting the Gold won't actually be the finals, but everything before them. To put it in perspective, Manzano needs to get through the prelims of the US Champs, the finals of the US Champs, and the prelims of the Olympics before he can hope to have an "on day" and outkick the Kenyans (which, incidentally, has all of a 5-6% chance of occurring...) If he has an off-race in any of the 3 scenarios leading up to the Olympic Finals, he'll be done right there. That is, Manzano will need to have 4 on-races to get the gold, or have 1 off-race to lose it. And unfortunately, his ratio seems a bit stacked in favor of the off-races[/quote] |
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really? you've seen high school JV races won in faster than the equivalent of a 4:05 mile? |
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^^^meant to quote orbitboy |
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Although Manzano clearly does have a huge kick (when he is on) is Centro's really any worse? He did lose (in a 3:48 1500m) to Manzano, but the Oly final will probably be more like 3:33-3:38. At this pace, I don't think Manzano's kick is any better than Centro's, and Centro has some other things going for him (better tactician, more consistent, more likely to drop time this year). Remember, Centro gained ground on Kiprop and Kiplagat in the final 100m of the world championships, which is really as impressive as any of Manzano's kicks have been. |
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Manzano seems to be a bit of a one trick pony. On a slow pace (which you may see in the Oly final with a tactical race), he can kick down anyone, including Kiprop I think. The catch is, when the pace is faster, he frequently doesn't have it. But if he can just get through to the finals, he might be able to win it. |
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No one really seemed to notice that Manzano really just caught Centro off gaurd. I think Centro thought he had it wrapped up with 10 m to go and Manzano just kind of snuck in there. Outdoors, Manzano goes by with 50 to go, Centro looking over, digs for it... pulls away for a .5 second win. My .02 |
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As I myself am a genius and brilliant at calling races before they happen, I would like to tip my hat to you here. Well done. |
| Mike Honcho |
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And your getting your information from where? The guy has been blessed since he won the ncca as a freshman in 05. |