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3200guy
Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/11/2009 8:28AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
...at Arcadia yesterday with hs implements. Not sure of his event by event performances. I did hear he threw 155 in the javelin and ran 4:09 for 1500.
dang!
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/11/2009 10:59AM - in reply to 3200guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He is a really impressive athlete, his running has been good for a long time but his throws have really come along through the years. Huge PR though, and shattered the HS record by like 500 points I believe (donovan Kilmartin). Congrats Curtis
Front Range My Ass
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/11/2009 11:44AM - in reply to dang! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sadly, this year is it for the kid.

He's going to Duke next year - the notorious black hole for male track and field athletes.

Too bad, the kids got talent.
Ree Dic U Lous
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/11/2009 10:01PM - in reply to Front Range My Ass Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&event_id=63&video_id=10053&folder_id=-2&offset=0#video

He won 9 of 10 and took 2nd the 10th.


100: 10.99
LJ: 6.97m
SP: 13.61m
HJ: 2.07
400: 48.16
110H: 14.42
DT: 40.64m
PV: 4.40m
JT: 47.48 m
1500: 4:09.48
3200guy
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 8:33AM - in reply to Ree Dic U Lous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Interesting. His high jump was the same as Dan O'Brien's when he set the American record in the decathlon. Beach's 400 and 1500 were faster than O'Brien in his AR. 1500 was over 30 seconds faster.
beatch
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 9:09AM - in reply to 3200guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
this kid sure like to pump himself up on the message boards!

Thanks for your comments Curtis!
goateed
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 12:23PM - in reply to Front Range My Ass Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It maybe a black hole for distance talent but with Shawn Wilbourn the Multis coach there he picked a school as good as any for continuing his training. I think it is a pretty good school academically as well.
Front Range My Ass
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 4:46PM - in reply to goateed Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

goateed wrote:

It maybe a black hole for distance talent but with Shawn Wilbourn the Multis coach there he picked a school as good as any for continuing his training.



Really?


As good as any mutlis coach?


How many multi D1 athletes has Wilbourn coached to the NCAAs? How many D1 All-Americans has he coached in the decathlon?

Surely he must have coached some D1 conference champs in the multis right? Please tell us the high point scorers that he's coached at the D1 level in the multis?

Get back to us on that, will you?
danny o.
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 9:07PM - in reply to Front Range My Ass Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
yes, very impressive.....his speed is great already, only to get better.... and his strength will improve and field event scores should soar. That pole vault needs a little development, so there are plenty of points to gain. Wow, how about that 1500 meters!
goateed
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 9:38PM - in reply to Front Range My Ass Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I am getting back to you on this as you asked, I didnt claim he has a resume that boasts tons of All-Americans but he has just started at Duke. Prior at Georgia he just started establishing some decent multis. I have known Shawn for many years and his resume will have all those All-Americans in the future that seem to imply to you that one is a good coach. For the time being I know he is a very good coach and would confidently put him in with any multi-events coach. I know many Multis coaches with All-Americans that I wouldnt claim as great coaches, but this is a redundant topic on these boards. How many All-Americans and conference champions does one need to be considered a good coach? Some of the best coaches I have come across are coaching high-school athletes that go to crappy college coaches with a list load of All-Americans and Conference Champions. Really. I dont care if you get back to me on this or not, have a good one.
The Rocket.
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/12/2009 10:01PM - in reply to 3200guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Insane. 4:09 1500m Insane for a decathlete.
Front Range My Ass
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 6:48AM - in reply to goateed Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

goateed wrote:

I am getting back to you on this as you asked, I didnt claim he has a resume that boasts tons of All-Americans but he has just started at Duke. Prior at Georgia he just started establishing some decent multis. I have known Shawn for many years and his resume will have all those All-Americans in the future that seem to imply to you that one is a good coach.



Look, you stated that the guy coaching at Duke is "as good as any" of the multi event coaches.


Yet he's never coached a D1 All-American (despite having coached at a couple D1 schools) and never coached even a conference champ in the multis. In fact, I went back and looked at his time at SUNY-Cortland, and he never coached even a DIII All-American in the multis! The school record at SUNY-Cortland was ~6,500 pts, set in 1990; his top performer at Georgia was ~6,300. So it's pretty safe to say that he's never coached an athlete over 6,300 points.

And you say this guy is among the best? By what criteria? By the fact that you know him and that he's a nice guy? That his dick is bigger than everyone elses? No one doubts the fact that he himself was a great decathlete (and an awesome all-round athlete), but there is nothing that he's done so far that says he's a great multi coach - let alone one of the best in the country.
Goateed
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 10:14AM - in reply to Front Range My Ass Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
We all know the majority of getting these All-Americans is recruiting and he is finally at a program that will allow him to get these types of athletes. I would say he is starting things off pretty well by getting a HSR holder so I am sure he will do just fine. I am not saying he is the best but but no means was choosing Duke and working with Shawn a bad decision for Beach. Just like you said "so far" his resume doesnt say it but I know his coaching ability so I am sure he will be included in the top level of multis coaches over time, till then you can continue to worry about resumes and dick sizes.
Baby Bear
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 10:56AM - in reply to Goateed Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The decathlon is a different event from most. Recruiting plays a role, but you can't really fake your way to an All-American. The handful of coaches that get it done at the NCAA's in the decathlon know what they are doing. They get it done with stars, and they develop walk-ons. There are many examples of promising decathletes who went to the wrong school with the wrong coach(s) and were never heard from again. Shawn was a good decathlete, but that in no way implies he knows how to coach. I don't know if he can coach or not, but Georgia should have given him every opportunity to show his stuff. 6300 pts??? Dear God.
Tennessee, Texas, Oregon, Kansas State, Cal, WSU. I know there are a few more with good coaches and a good history in the event. But Duke? I don't get it.


Goateed wrote:

We all know the majority of getting these All-Americans is recruiting and he is finally at a program that will allow him to get these types of athletes. I would say he is starting things off pretty well by getting a HSR holder so I am sure he will do just fine. I am not saying he is the best but but no means was choosing Duke and working with Shawn a bad decision for Beach. Just like you said "so far" his resume doesnt say it but I know his coaching ability so I am sure he will be included in the top level of multis coaches over time, till then you can continue to worry about resumes and dick sizes.
Goateed
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 12:13PM - in reply to Baby Bear Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I applaud Beach for not being stuck in the mindset of these are the only coaches and programs that can succeed. Those are all fine programs and good coaches I know personally, but they are also schools that do pretty good in getting strong talent in. If you coached at Georgia you would be pretty aware of the limitations set in place by the person in charge there, maybe a reason Shawn left? At least he isn't importing all his ready made decathletes which has become embarrassing as of late. I guess we will see. Just dont see why it is such a stretch to see why Beach would go there? What if Beach wanted to go to Liberty, Cal Poly, UPenn, Rutgers, UConn? All solid schools with solid deca coaches who maybe dont have the big time history. If I was him I would have gone to U of A w/ Blockburger or Wake Forest w/ Hall, but Duke with Wilbourn will be fine.
how great form
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 1:23PM - in reply to Ree Dic U Lous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Ree Dic U Lous wrote:

http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&event_id=63&video_id=10053&folder_id=-2&offset=0#video

Has anyone bothered to watch that video? That boy was born to run. Perfect form. High knees, everything in a straight line. He looks almost akward running the the 1500 because it seems too slow for him.

I know he's got a hell of a future as a decathlete, but man I would love to see him focus on the 800. As I'm sure many know, he ran 1:52.72 indoors, coming in 4th at NSIC. Imagine if he focused all his energies on running. How often do you find a high school 800 runner explosive enough to high jump 6'9" and long jump 23 feet?
Front Range My Ass
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 4:06PM - in reply to Goateed Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Goateed wrote:

I applaud Beach for not being stuck in the mindset of these are the only coaches and programs that can succeed...

If you coached at Georgia you would be pretty aware of the limitations set in place by the person in charge there, maybe a reason Shawn left? At least he isn't importing all his ready made decathletes which has become embarrassing as of late....

What if Beach wanted to go to Liberty, Cal Poly, UPenn, Rutgers, UConn? All solid schools with solid deca coaches who maybe dont have the big time history....


You obviously know nothing about track, do you? I guess you're just trolling now.

I'd love for Beach to go to one of those schools! They're much better than anything Wilbourn has ever done. None of them are importing their decathletes. Oh, and by the way, before Wilbourn got to Georgia they had a 2 time all-american in the decathlon 2001 and 2002. Hardly any restrictions on the program.

Liberty, before it became known for McDougal and Chelanga, was (and actually still is) a decathlon powerhourse. They've had 9 All-Americans in the decathlon. 5th place on their all-time list is over 7,400 points. And it's not just historical - recently they had Brandon Hospkins, AA indoors in 2005 in the heptathlon and outdoors 2007 in the deca. All these guys have been coached by the same coach, Tolsma, who's been there over 20 years.

UConn is a regional power, with 13 multi-event Big East conf champs, and a couple All-Americans as well. Their school record is 7894, set in 2003. All these guys who have been coached by the same guy who has been there for 15 years.

Ditto with Rutgers, but their success has been more recent. They went 1-2-3 in the Big East decathlon in 2004, have a school record over 7,200 points, and have 5 conference champs in the multis since 2004. All with one coach.

And again, you get more of the same with Penn, who has had 8 guys score over 7,200 points in their history, most recently being a guy last year who scored 7,300+ and was an NCAA qualifier. Coach Powell - there for 20+ years - has had 6 conference champs in the multis.

Cal Poly hasn't been as good, but in the last 6 years they've had 4 guys over 6,500 points, including a 7,300 point guy in 2003.

Face it - Beach didn't make the best decision in terms of his athletic career. I wish him the best, but like I said above, he's head to a black hole of male track talent. They waste foot locker all-americans, and now they're on their way to ruining the best h.s. multi-event talent in recent years.
camarillo brillo
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 5:34PM - in reply to Front Range My Ass Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Front Range My Ass wrote:

Sadly, this year is it for the kid.

He's going to Duke next year - the notorious black hole for male track and field athletes.

Too bad, the kids got talent.


You are obviously a hater - one post would have sufficed to get your message across.
It's his life, why do you give a s**t? Why don't you let HIM live it?
Perhaps he thinks a Duke education is worth the possible sacrifice in his development? Maybe it's also an opportunity to run open middle-distance events as well? Who knows? It's not as if he can't change schools either if it doesn't work out -it's been done before.
hold on
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 7:08PM - in reply to camarillo brillo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Whoa, just saw this in a dyestat thread on Beach: http://nmtccca.com/TTB040609.pdf

Apparently he's run 10.53, 13.94 (!) in the hurdles, and jumped 23'10" in the long jump so far this year.

WOW. How much of a role does the fact that Albuquerque is at 5000 feet play a role in those sick times? What would those convert to at sea level (if there is such a conversion)?
Handtiming
RE: Curtis Beach 7909 USR!!! 4/13/2009 8:33PM - in reply to hold on Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The conversion is less of a factor than the fact those times were hand timed by a 70 year old. Sprint times in New Mexico outside of the state meet are meaningless.
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