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wejo
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Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 12:17PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2710864&page=5#2711053

says the ex-Louisville star Wesley Korir didn't start with the pros and still ran a 2:13 to finish 4th. Does anyone have confirmation of this?

Chicago this year for some reason went to a pro start 5 minutes before the masses. When I saw it on the TV immediately I thought, "this is a bad idea".

Part of the marathons appeal is you're in theory in the same race with the top runners in the world. Not if you start 5 minutes behind them.

Chicago now has an interesting case on its hands. Korir ran 2:13 and finished 4th. Now Chicago really seems to have slashed prize money this year (looking at the numbers below it looks like it came down $60k on each the men's and women's side.) So Korir would stand to pick up $15k. His time even with 5 minutes added would put him in the top 10 but there is no money for 6-10.

1st this year $100,000 last year $125k
2nd last year 65k this year 55k
3rd last year 40 this year 30k
4th last year 25k this year 15k
5th last year 15k this year 10k

I bet Chicago won't give him the money but I can't believe a guy with his credentials wouldn't start up front.
doug burke
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 12:22PM - in reply to wejo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
if chicago does not give him his money, my guess is korir could get a lawyer to get him the money on a contingecy.
bushleague
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 12:30PM - in reply to doug burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wesley tried to register with the elite, but was forced to start with everyone else.
rojo
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RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 12:42PM - in reply to doug burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I definitely think Wesley is deserving of money but at the same time I don't think it's fair to deny others money as well. Maybe Chicago can come up with an extra 15k to pay Korir but let's remember that he didn't start with the others.

In my mind, there really are two sets of results. They are as follows:

Men's Elite Race
1 Cheruiyot, Evans KEN 02:06:25
2 Mandago, David KEN 02:07:37
3 Cherigat, Timothy KEN 02:11:39
4 Lauret, Martin NED 02:15:10
5 Mutai, Emmanuel KEN 02:15:36

Mass Race
1 Korir, Wesley K USA 02:13:53

I don't think it's right to deny Lauret 4th place money or Mutai 5th place money. They weren't beaten by Korir as they finished ahead of him. How can you deny them their money?

It drives me nuts that someone has already mentioned a lawsuit. If anything, Laruet and Mutai have a stronger legal case than Korir. The 1st 5 males and 5 females across the finish line are the one's Chicago are supposed to pay. No race uses chip times to pay people.
comcast
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 12:53PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
probably because nothing like this has happened to actually affect the outcome.

If anything it should tell the race to get rid of the 5min head start and Korir should get an agent petition harder to be with the elite starters.
Rocafella
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 12:57PM - in reply to comcast Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
WTF is the problem. He had the 4th fastest time...give him the money for getting 4th place (meaning he had the 4th fastest time). I don't understand what all the talk is about.
questions
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:10PM - in reply to wejo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Was Wesley a "Top 100" participant (~debut, right)? Did the "Top 100" athletes start with the elites or with the masses 5 min. later?
txRUNNERgirl
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:12PM - in reply to Rocafella Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Rocafella wrote:

WTF is the problem. He had the 4th fastest time...give him the money for getting 4th place (meaning he had the 4th fastest time). I don't understand what all the talk is about.


I agree. If anything it had to be more difficult to start with the masses and not have the elite field to pace off of.
Heathen
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:19PM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
But was he the 4th person to cross the finish line? I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but in most marathons it's pretty clear, place matters, not chip time.
txRUNNERgirl
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:27PM - in reply to Heathen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Heathen wrote:

place matters, not chip time.


Then why have the pro field start 5 minutes ahead?
mcgato
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:28PM - in reply to Heathen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm guessing that the 5 minute head start was so the women could run a reasonably separate race.

I know NYC marathon says that prize money for the women is only available to those in the elite women's start. I would guess that Chicago had a similar setup, but I am far from certain.
Depends
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:35PM - in reply to mcgato Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Why didn't they just let the professional woman have a head start? Letting all of the elites go out early is just stupid.

Is it just me or has Chicago officially become the worst organized major marathon in the world? Witness the slippery finish line debacle, the mismanagement of the high heat last year, and now this. I think some heads need to roll in the Chicago marathon admin.

mcgato wrote:

I'm guessing that the 5 minute head start was so the women could run a reasonably separate race.

I know NYC marathon says that prize money for the women is only available to those in the elite women's start. I would guess that Chicago had a similar setup, but I am far from certain.
Grammatica
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:41PM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
I agree. If anything it had to be more difficult to start with the masses and not have the elite field to pace off of.



"off".

"off of" is not a proper term in the English language (a barbarism).
dfasfsdf
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:51PM - in reply to Grammatica Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I remember watching the NYC marathon as a kid (must have been 10-15 years ago) and seeing some guy who wasn't allowed to start with the elites win the whole thing. The elites only started a bit in front of the masses, but it was still pretty cool.
Heathen
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:58PM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Obviously they don't expect anyone from the "masses" to run 2:13. Can you blame them? I'm guessing this is exactly why they have the "place matters, not time" rule.
Also, you hit the nail on the head, there was a "pro" field, as in people who do this for a living and get paid.
Can anyone document a similiar situation where a runner from the second wave/corral ran fast enough to make the money?
rojo
co-founder
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 1:58PM - in reply to dfasfsdf Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you are going by who croshed the finish line in order. Here it is:
1 Cheruiyot, Evans KEN 02:06:25
2 Mandago, David KEN 02:07:37
3 Cherigat, Timothy KEN 02:11:39
4 Lauret, Martin NED 02:15:10
5 Mutai, Emmanuel KEN 02:15:36
6 Reneau, Mike USA 02:16:19
7 Kipsang, William KEN 02:16:41
8 Njenga, Daniel KEN 02:17:33
9 Limo, Richard KEN 02:18:48
10 Korir, Wesley K USA 02:13:53 (2:18:53)
wow....
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 2:00PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
rojo wrote:
No race uses chip times to pay people.


NYRR.

"Official Time

In all NYRR scored races, each participant's official time, the net time, is recorded from when a participant crosses the start mats to when he or she crosses the finish mats. This official time is used to establish the order of finish and to determine award winners. However, the first male and female runner to cross the finish line will always be the winner of the race. "
atrrunner
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 2:09PM - in reply to dfasfsdf Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Since when has proper english been something letsrun has based itself off of?
doug burke
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 2:10PM - in reply to wow.... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i also think lauret and mutai deserve their money. chicago should just pay an extra 15k this year and go back to a mass start next year.
pwns grammatica
RE: Did Wesley Korir Start 5 Minutes Back and Run 2:13 10/12/2008 2:30PM - in reply to Grammatica Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Grammatica wrote:

[quote]txRUNNERgirl wrote:
I agree. If anything it had to be more difficult to start with the masses and not have the elite field to pace off of.



"off".

"off of" is not a proper term in the English language (a barbarism).[/quote]

If you are going to play the grammar card with people, at least do it right. How's that dangling preposition? It should read "...and not have the elite field off which to pace" or something similar that doesn't sound quite so awkward.
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