MyWifeSaysImaHeel
SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/11/2011 11:36AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/11/2011 11:39AM - in reply to MyWifeSaysImaHeel Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Mosop is a forefoot striker.
J.O.
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/11/2011 11:42AM - in reply to MyWifeSaysImaHeel Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So what? Anyway, that photo doesn't show ground contact.

So you must be trollin? regardless of whether or not she heel strikes.
Precious Roy
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/11/2011 11:59AM - in reply to J.O. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
http://www.marathonguide.com/news/exclusives/ChicagoMarathon2011/ChicagoMarathon2011WomensRace.cfm

Scroll down. Can't see her heel, but she must be heal striking in that photo.

http://londonist.com/2011/04/london-marathon-2011-in-pictures.php

Second photo down. Even if she is magically able to land midfoot with her heel that close to the ground, she is terribly inefficient with all that baaaddd dorsiflexion.

Face it form junkies, it is all for nothing when it comes to the marathon. The fastest man and woman in the world right now are both heal strikers. The pseudo-science about "braking" and efficiency has been dismissed by these elite athletes. Heel strike if it works for you. Run with big boxy shoes with a tall heel. Unless you are on the track, it doesn't matter whether you heel strike.
MyWifeSaysImaHeel
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/11/2011 12:01PM - in reply to J.O. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Of course I'm trolling. But it's also true.

http://www.photorun.net/LargePhoto.php?photo=images_L/2010/M/Chicago_Marathon/Shobukhova-Bayisa -Chicago10.JPG

http://www.photorun.net/LargePhoto.php?photo=images_L/2009/M/London_Marathon/Shobukhova-Adere-London09.JPG

The first one shows the clear dorsi-flexion, no way she is rotating her foot that much before touchdown. The second one is undeniable; the heel has landed. The videos during this year's Chicago marathon were also very clear, but I can't find a high enough resolution one that has been posted.
Cellular
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/11/2011 12:26PM - in reply to J.O. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Do a little research on Shobukhova. She heel strikes. It's very apparent in pictures and videos you see of her throughout her career.

And you're right, so what? Heel striking isn't a problem UNLESS you're overstriding (i.e. the heel is contacting the ground way out in front of your center of gravity). If the heel contacts the ground close to the center of gravity, loading rates become much smoother (http://uvaendurosport.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/loading-rate-part-2-forefoot-midfoot-rearfoot%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-who-cares/)

Her running form works for her and her body. She doesn't overstride so it allows her to heel strike and maintain a high level of efficiency.

Heel, midfoot, or forefoot striking; it matters not. Moral of the story: DONT OVERSTRIDE.
J.O.
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 11:55AM - in reply to Cellular Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So what? We all have different biomechanics.

And don't give me that idiotic crap about overstriding, the heel can't land way in front of the ceter of gravity, that is physically impossible.
joho
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 1:27PM - in reply to MyWifeSaysImaHeel Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Imagine how fast she could run if she wore VFFs.




(sarcasm)
Problem?
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 1:45PM - in reply to MyWifeSaysImaHeel Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Women aren't bio-engineered to be athletes, so this point is void.
Junk Master
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 1:50PM - in reply to Problem? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Point is no one cares because elites have nothing in common with all the hobby joggers in monkey shoes.

The best thing VFF's do to prevent injury is STOP fatties from running too much too soon. Hopefully they'll just get sore/minor injuries instead of really hurting themselves in overly cushioned shoes that allow them to go from couch to 10k in 8 weeks.
J.R.
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 3:14PM - in reply to MyWifeSaysImaHeel Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This is a big mistake to say that Shobukhova or some other top runner heel strikes, from looking at photos of shoes with big heels.

All this shows is that the shoes have too big of heels and are dragging the ground before the rest of the foot.

Do you know why running shoes are not as good as they were in the 1970's? This is a big reason why.

> the heels are too big
> the soles are too thick
> the soles are too soft
> there is too much restriction of the shoes
> too much confining of the feet, toes, heels
> too many gimmicks

In the case of the photos, simply the heels are too big, of course this causes the heels of the shoes to touch the ground first. It does not mean the runner runs on the heels, it means the heels of the shoes are too big.
Precious Roy
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 3:23PM - in reply to J.R. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

J.R. wrote:

This is a big mistake to say that Shobukhova or some other top runner heel strikes, from looking at photos of shoes with big heels.

All this shows is that the shoes have too big of heels and are dragging the ground before the rest of the foot.

Do you know why running shoes are not as good as they were in the 1970's? This is a big reason why.

> the heels are too big
> the soles are too thick
> the soles are too soft
> there is too much restriction of the shoes
> too much confining of the feet, toes, heels
> too many gimmicks

In the case of the photos, simply the heels are too big, of course this causes the heels of the shoes to touch the ground first. It does not mean the runner runs on the heels, it means the heels of the shoes are too big.


Then why do other runners in the same shoe not hit with their heel first?

And I ran in shoes from the 70s. They sucked.
J.R.
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/13/2011 6:49PM - in reply to Precious Roy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Precious Roy wrote:

Then why do other runners in the same shoe not hit with their heel first?


They would have to run on their toes, for the high heeled shoes to land flat.

Perhaps such runners like to run on their toes, like ballerinas.
J.O.
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/14/2011 11:15AM - in reply to J.R. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
J.R. a heel striker will touch with the heel first even when running barefoot. Learn some real biomechanics.
Consumer Reports
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/14/2011 7:19PM - in reply to J.O. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
oh please
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/14/2011 7:27PM - in reply to Consumer Reports Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Forget the heel striking...I love her hips. Very womanly.
J.R.
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/14/2011 7:47PM - in reply to J.O. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

J.O. wrote:

J.R. a heel striker will touch with the heel first even when running barefoot.


You apparently meant when the shoe heels make first contact with the ground, the heels would also make first contact running barefoot in all cases.

That is not the case.

It is the heels of the shoes that land first when the heels are built up in the shoe, not the heels of the feet. Say the heel lift is 1/2 of an inch, very common nowdays, that the insoles can have backwards inclines at ground contact, at the same time the feet have forward inclines.

Thus the heel strike is entirely due to the heels of the SHOES, not the feet.
Consumer Reports
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/14/2011 8:13PM - in reply to J.R. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not for everyone Bubba, some people heel strike while running barefoot. The link on the previous post will show you this. Running is not a beauty contest, there is no one perfect way to run, it's way more complicated than people think and everyone is different. Look at Salazar, if you saw him running down the street you would think he was a 16 minute 5k runner at best but some how he shuffled and heel struck his way to a 13:11 5,000.
Bell Lapper
RE: SHOBUKHOVA IS A HEEL STRIKER 10/14/2011 10:06PM - in reply to oh please Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

oh please wrote:

Forget the heel striking...I love her hips. Very womanly.


She does have very powerful hips. She must do hip abductor exercises.