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The Rocket
Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 1:39PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Forgive me if this has already been brought up on a different thread, but didn't Ryan Hall's 25km split 1:13:47 break Fernando Cabada's 25km record of 1:14:21 set in 2006? Is this a legit split? Has it been recognized officially as a new AR?
Pointless Record
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 1:44PM - in reply to The Rocket Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Well that's important, because people train for the 25k all the time.

Did he break the 23k record, or the 27k? How about the 28k?
Komon
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 2:10PM - in reply to The Rocket Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If they did not have official timing at that location, than I doubt it. Then Khannouchi would have the 25 km record and not Cabada or Hall.
fil lander
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 2:32PM - in reply to Pointless Record Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Pointless Record wrote:

Well that's important, because people train for the 25k all the time.

Did he break the 23k record, or the 27k? How about the 28k?

brian sell is training for the 25k right now.
and going after the 25k record.
Pointless Record
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 2:35PM - in reply to fil lander Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
fil lander wrote:
brian sell is training for the 25k right now.
and going after the 25k record.


one.
Obama 2008
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 2:46PM - in reply to Pointless Record Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
25K is a USATF Championship distance.

I'd say that the distance is less popular, but FAR from pointless.
calhoun
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 3:04PM - in reply to The Rocket Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
According to Flora London Marathon documents this is why the 25k record is not eligible for a world record (or an AR for that matter):

"There are no time keepers at the 25km point because, at 8.5m above sea level, this is more than a 25-metre
drop from the start (39.459m asl) so 25km times are not eligible for official records. The 30km mark (10.794m
on the north side of road, 10.558m on the south side) is within the limit for records."

This however doesn't explain the 30k conundrum. Ryan ran 1:28.38 for the 30k which according to the above statement should be eligible for a new AR considering the old one is 1:31.49 set by Phil Coppess in 1985. I'm not sure if you caught that but Ryan ran the 30k split a full THREE MINUTES (and 11 seconds) faster than the current 30k AR..
mcgato
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 3:50PM - in reply to Komon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
KK's London half split was 62:46 versus Hall's at 62:13, so I think Hall went through 25K faster than KK did in London. I can't find an accurate split for 25K from that race, though.
guy not from there
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:15PM - in reply to mcgato Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Let's do the math. Khannouchi finished 39 seconds ahead of Hall's time and he ran his first half 33 seconds slower, meaning that he ran his second half 72 seconds faster. I don't think he made up the 33-second gap Hall had at halfway in less than 4 km.
Halls Fan
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:21PM - in reply to guy not from there Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Who really thinks of Khannouchi as an American??!
malmo
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:22PM - in reply to calhoun Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
calhoun wrote:
This however doesn't explain the 30k conundrum. Ryan ran 1:28.38 for the 30k which according to the above statement should be eligible for a new AR considering the old one is 1:31.49 set by Phil Coppess in 1985.




1:30:44 ( 1) Randy Thomas (MA) 28 Jul 1953 17 Feb 1980 Ome JPN
1:31:05 ( 1) Greg Meyer (MI) 18 Sep 1955 20 Feb 1983 Ome JPN
1:31:20 ( 1) Kirk Pfeffer (CO) 30 Jul 1956 21 Feb 1982 Ome JPN
1:31:26 ( 4) David Gordon (WA) 30 Aug 1959 21 Feb 1988 Ome JPN
1:32:56 ( 4) Peter Gilmore (CA) 11 May 1977 19 Feb 2006 Ome JPN
1:33:06 ( 4) Frank Shorter (CO) 31 Oct 1947 23 Nov 1980 Kawaguchi JPN
1:33:06.2 ( 1) Bill Rodgers (MA) 23 Dec 1947 15 Feb 1976 Ome JPN
1:33:22 ( 2) David Gordon- 2 30 Aug 1959 19 Feb 1984 Ome JPN
1:33:29 (10) Martin Froelick (CO) 12 Mar 1958 21 Feb 1988 Ome JPN
1:33:55.8 ( 1) Alex Kasich (OR) 05 Jan 1955 01 Aug 1982 Eugene OR USA
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1:34:04 ( 1) Martin Froelick- 2 12 Mar 1958 07 Dec 1985 Houston TX USA
1:34:07 ( 5) Thomas Ratcliffe (MA) 04 Jun 1959 16 Feb 1986 Ome JPN
Chris Wasnetsky
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:30PM - in reply to mcgato Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
mcgato wrote:

KK's London half split was 62:46 versus Hall's at 62:13, so I think Hall went through 25K faster than KK did in London. I can't find an accurate split for 25K from that race, though.


http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m30kroad.htm

According to this list, KK is 23 seconds slower than Hall at 30K. So, if KK went through half slower than Hall (33 seconds) and 30K slower than Hall (23 seconds), perhaps 25K was slower?
adsdasds
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:36PM - in reply to Halls Fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Halls Fan wrote:

Who really thinks of Khannouchi as an American??!



How is he not you bigot!
Halls Fan
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:39PM - in reply to adsdasds Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
he spent the first 27 years in africa
dwigt schrude
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 4:45PM - in reply to Halls Fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
lets make up more stuff
calhoun
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 6:00PM - in reply to malmo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hmm, I hadn't seen that list before malmo. I just got the information off the usatf website. So why doesn't the usatf website credit Randy Thomas with the american record?

By the way, I'm sure this is an obvious answer but where did you get that list?
clankos
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 6:12PM - in reply to The Rocket Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The half marathon record was smashed as well.
The answerman
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 6:58PM - in reply to calhoun Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
calhoun wrote:

[1] I hadn't seen that list before malmo.
[2] I just got the information off the usatf website.
[3] So why doesn't the usatf website credit Randy Thomas with the american record?
[4] By the way, I'm sure this is an obvious answer but where did you get that list?


1. Welcome to Letsrun.
2. That explains it.
3. Ask them, maybe they'll respond.
4. I'll bet he download the list from ARRS, http://www.arrs.net/
calhoun
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 7:29PM - in reply to The answerman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Thanks for the welcome answerman. I've been here for a while, but it's always nice to feel welcome, even if the welcome is extended sarcastically. I do appreciate the link though. Thank you.
malmo
RE: Ryan Hall breaks US 25km record in route to marathon 4/14/2008 8:22PM - in reply to The answerman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yes, ARRS.
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