The NCAAs That Were
The Week That Was In Running - November 22 - November 28, 2010
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By LetsRun.com
December 1, 2010
In case you didn't come to LRC much during the Thanksgiving holiday, we present to you our Week That Was. Below you can find links to each of the homepages from last week so you can re-create LRC as it existed when you weren't there.
In terms of analysis, this week we present you with some cold, hard facts from the one truly significant event of last week from an LRC perspective - the 2010 NCAA Division 1 Cross-Country Championships. We give you the stats - make that stats, stats, stats - and leave the analysis largely up to you.
What teams were the biggest surprises for the year? What teams were the biggest busts for the year? What teams bombed at NCAAs? What teams ran great at NCAAs? We tried to look into those questions and more by comparing each NCAA team's finish at NCAAs to their finish last year at NCAAs, their pre-season ranking this year and their final regular season ranking this year.
We then moved on to some individual stats. How did the top 10 returners from last year fare at this year's NCAAs? How did the top 10 at Pre-NCAAs in each race do at NCAAs this year? See the answers below.
As for the Alan Webb - Galen Rupp matchup, we must admit that was a real pleasant surprise to the calendar. However, it's a real shame no one got the word out about the race until a few days before. US stars need to race each other often and hype it in advance for this sport to grow in popularity.
Men's Team Stats
The Good |
The Bad |
Teams That Made The Meet But |
Teams That Were Ranked In The Top 31 |
Teams That Moved Up The Most |
Teams That Moved Down The Most |
Teams That Moved Up The Most From |
Teams That Moved Down The Most |
Don't believe us? Check our stats below.
2010 NCAA Finish |
Last Year's Finish |
Pre-Season Rank |
Final Regular Season |
1. Oklahoma State | 1st (0) | 2nd (+1) | 2nd (+1) |
2. Florida State | 30th (+28) | 24th (+22) | 11th (+9) |
3. Wisconsin | 7th (+4) | 4th (+1) | 4th (+1) |
4. Stanford | 10th (+6) | 1st (-3) | 1st (-3) |
5. Oklahoma | 12th (+7) | 12th (+7) | 6th (+1) |
6. Oregon | 2nd (-4) | 3rd (tie) (-3) | 3rd (-3) |
7. Indiana | No qualify | 27th (+20) | 13th (+6) |
8. Iona | 8th (0) | 10th (+2) | 7th (-1) |
9. NAU | 4th (-5) | 3rd (tie) (-6) | 14th (+5) |
10. Arkansas | 26th (+16) | 13th (+3) | 9th (-1) |
11. Alabama | 3rd (-8) | 5th (-6) | 12th (+1) |
12. Princeton | No qualify | 31st (+19) | 17th (+5) |
13. Portland | 13th (0) | 8th (-5) | 19th (+6) |
14. Syracuse | 14th (0) | 9th (-5) | 10th (-4) |
15. Colorado | 6th (-9) | 6th (-9) | 7th (-8) |
16. New Mexico | 8th (-8) | 14th (-2) | 5th (-11) |
17. Virginia | 15th (-2) | 22nd (+5) | 31st (+14) |
18. BYU | 17th (-1) | 17th (-1) | 15th (-3) |
19. William & Mary | 5th tie (-14) | 28th tie (+9) | 16th (-3) |
20. NC State | 27th (-7) | 11th (-9) | 21st (+1) |
21. Duke | 28th (+7) | 23rd (+2) | 20th (-1) |
22. Providence | 20th (-2) | 20th (-2) | 24th (+2) |
23. Villanova | 11th (-12) | 15th (-8) | 22nd (-1) |
24. Richmond | No qualify | Not ranked | 28th (+4) |
25. Notre Dame | No qualify | Not ranked | 26th (+1) |
26. Texas | 28th (+2) | 28th (tie) +2 | 30th (+4) |
27. Minnesota | 24th (-3) | 26th (-1) | 23rd (-4) |
28. Louisville | 23rd (-5) | 34th (+6) | 29th (+1) |
29. Georgetown | 22nd (-7) | 16th (-13) | 25th (-4) |
30. Penn State | No qualify | Not ranked | 26th (-4) |
31. California | No qualify | 37th (+6) | 18th (-13) |
Women's Team Stats
The Good |
The Bad |
Teams That Made The Meet But |
Teams That Were Ranked In The Top 31 |
Teams That Moved Up The Most |
Teams That Moved Down The Most |
Teams That Moved Up The Most |
Teams That Moved Down The Most |
Don't believe us? Check our stats below.
2010 NCAA Finish |
Last year's finish |
Pre-Season Rank |
Final Regular Season |
1. Villanova | 1st (0) | 1st (0) | 1st (0) |
2. Florida State | 2nd (0) | 24th (0) | 2nd (0) |
3. Texas Tech | 4th (+1) | 4th (+1) | 10th (+7) |
4. Georgetown | 21st (+17) | 11th (+7) | 3rd (-1) |
5. New Mexico | 13th (+8) | 18th (+13) | 5th (0) |
6. Colorado | 20th (+14) | 13th (+7) | 8th (+2) |
7. Stony Brook | No qualify | 32nd (+25) | 14th (+7) |
8. Iowa State | 17th (+9) | 16th (+8) | 12th (+4) |
9. Providence | 11th (+2) | 14th (+5) | 15th (+6) |
10. Syracuse | 18th (+8) | 9th (-1) | 11th (+1) |
11. Arizona | 30th (+19) | 25th (+14) | 9th (-2) |
12. Oregon | 9th (-3) | 5th (-7) | 6th (-6) |
13. Stanford | 16th (+3) | 12th (-1) | 7th (-6) |
14. North Carolina | No qualify | 31st (+17) | 18th (+4) |
15. Princeton | 5th (-10) | 7th (-8) | 25th (+10) |
16. Washington | 3rd (-13) | 3rd (-13) | 4th (-12) |
17. Duke | 8th (-9) | 6th (-11) | 21st (+4) |
18. Oklahoma State | No qualify | 41st (+23) | 19th (-3) |
19. Boston College | No qualify | Not ranked | 20th (+1) |
20. Texas | No qualify | Not ranked | 24th (+4) |
21. Virginia | 15th (-6) | 10th (-11) | 13th (-8) |
22. Michigan | 27th (+5) | 27th (+5) | 17th(-5) |
23. Michigan State | 26th (+3) | 23rd (0) | 16th (-7) |
24. NC State | No qualify | Not ranked | 28th (+4) |
25. Kansas State | No qualify | Not ranked | 33rd (+8) |
26. Penn State | 14th (-12) | 24th (-2) | 23rd (-3) |
27. Minnesota | 10th (-17) | 21st (-6) | 22nd (-5) |
28. Toledo | No qualify | Not ranked | 27th (-1) |
29. Florida | 7th (-22) | 8th (-21) | 29th (0) |
30. Tulsa | No qualify | Not ranked | 26th (-4) |
31. Rice | No qualify | 28th (-3) | 31st (0) |
Men's Individual Stats
Here we see where some of the stars of the pre-NCAA meet finished at the NCAA meet a little over a month later.
Pre-Nats White Men / Finish At 2010 NCAAs
1 Samuel Chelanga, Liberty / 1st
2 Ryan Hill, North Carolina State / 22nd
3 Daniel Chenoweth, Harvard / 238th
4 Trevor Dunbar, Portland / 25th
5 Miles Batty, BYU / 15th
6 Lee Carey, Providence / 24th
7 Joseph Bosshard, Colorado / 26th
8 Alfred Kipchumba, Portland / 45th
9 Soufiane Bouchikhi, Eastern Kentucky / 49th
10 Shadrack Kipchirchir, Western Kentucky / 27th
Pre-Nats Blue Men / Finish At 2010 NCAAs
1 Chris Derrick, Stanford / 5th
2 Elliott Heath, Stanford / 42nd
3 Jake Riley, Stanford / 6th
4 Barnabas Kirui, Mississippi / DNF
5 Diego Estrada, Northern Arizona / 16th
6 Donn Cabral, Princeton / 34th
7 Michael Coe, California / 91st
8 Chas Gillespie, William & Mary / 58th
9 Leonard Korir, Iona / 4th
10 Ciaran O'Lionaird, Florida State / 18th
Top 10 Male Returners From Last Year (Last Year's Finish On Left) / Finish At NCAAs This Year
1 Samuel Chelanga, Liberty / 1st
2 David McNeill, Northern Arizona / 123rd
3 Chris Derrick, Stanford / 5th
4 Barnabas Kirui, Mississippi / dropped out with back injury
5 Jordan Chipangama, Northern Arizona / did not compete
6 Dorian Ulrey, Arkansas / 11th
10 Colby Lowe, Oklahoma State / 9th
12 Ryan Sheridan, Iona / did not compete
14 Alfred Kipchumba, Portland / 45th
16 Hassan Mead, Minnesota / did not compete
Women's Individual Stats
Pre-Nats Blue Women / Finish At 2010 NCAAs
1 Risper Kimaiyo, UTEP / 4th
2 Alex Banfich, Princeton / 20th
3 Deborah Maier, California / 30th
4 Tara Erdmann, Loyola Marymount / 25th
5 Aliphine Tuliamuk, Iowa State / 13th
6 Shelby Greany, Providence / 12th
7 Amanda Winslow, Florida State / 138th
8 Ashley Higginson, Princeton / 74th
9 Emily MacLeod, Michigan State / 37th
10 Pasca Cheruiyot, Florida State / 17th
Pre-Nats White Women / Finish At 2010 NCAAs
1 Lucy Van Dalen, Stony Brook / 5th
2 Laura Tremblay, Colorado / 23rd
3 Kathy Kroeger, Stanford / not in results
4 Laura Hoer, North Carolina State / 21st
5 Emily Jones, Georgetown / 29th
6 Stephanie Price, Minnesota / 31st
7 Alison Parris, James Madison / not in results
8 Holly Van Dalen, Stony Brook / 6th
9 Kristie Krueger, Georgia / 28th
10 Amanda Moreno, UC Santa Barbara / 99th
Top 10 Female Returners From Last Year (Last Year's Finish On Left) / Finish At NCAAs This Year
2 Kendra Schaaf, Washington / 11th
4 Catherine White, Virginia / DNF
5 Allie McLaughlin, Colorado / did not compete
6 Amanda Marino, Villanova / 10th
8 Emily Infeld, Georgetown / 2nd
9 Risper Kimaiyo, UTEP / 4th
10 Cecily Lemmon, BYU / did not compete
13 Sheila Reid, Villanova / 1st
15 Rebecca Lowe, Florida / 148th
16 Pasca Cheruiyot, Florida State / 17th
Analysis Of NCAAs From A Loyal LetsRun.com Reader
On a side note, we need a term for what we call our regular readers. If you've got a suggestion email us. LetsRun.com regular David Graham often sends us insightful commentary. This week he did it again on the men's NCAA meet. It was so good, we're just pasting it here.
Most Surprising Men's performances: Stephen Sambu and Luke
Puskedra. Nothing in their races this year indicated that these two
were going to finish as high as they did today...I certainly didn't
expect anyone to push Chelanga like Sambu did.
Most Surprising Men's team performance: Florida St. (I
figured on a great day they could get a top 5 finish, but not 2nd ...) I
also didn't expect Oklahoma to finish 5th. Yes, they ran well at
regionals, but I wasn't expecting 5th place. They can return to Norman,
OK with their heads held high. Great job to FSU & OU.
Hat's Off: Sam Chelanga joins an elite club of double winners at the NCAA CC championships. He's only the 11th person to do so.
Hat's Off2:
Oklahoma State came through when it counted and got good performances
from everyone. Just as Chelanga defended his individual title, so the
Cowboys defended their team title. Two in a row.
Scary Thought: Not a single man on OSU's team graduates this year! (Their winning margin today was ... 120 points!)
Biggest Performance by a 5th man:
OSU's Jonathan Stublaski put in a huge performance for the Cowboys and
closed up their scoring with a great race. (And at 36th place, he made
All American to boot)
Biggest "So close...and yet so far": Wisconsin would have
easily gotten 2nd place except that down the final stretch one of their
top men, Elliot Krause, pulled up lame and walked in. So they got
3rd ...
Biggest Choke Team: Stanford. For the second year in a row,
they came in as the favorite and didn't run well. Last year Derrick ran
well and the team poorly, finishing 10th. This year, two people ran
well, Derrick and Riley; and the team ran so-so, finishing 4th. So, it
wasn't the disaster that last year was, but it wasn't the race they were
looking for. Too bad. Back to the drawing board ...
Best Milers: Last Year Dorian Ulrey of Arkansas ran to an
impressive 6th place finish. This year, he finished 11th and Oregon's
Matt Centrowitz 10th. German Fernandez was 8th. I always admire milers
who run well at cross country races. They are uncommon. Congrats to
all milers who make All American in cross country!
Biggest Individual Disappointments: David McNeill of Northern Arizona finished 2nd at NCAA Nationals last year and won his conference and regional meets this year. Today, he finished ... 123rd. In addition
to the Stanford and Wisconsin team members who fell off the pace,
Oregon's A.J. Acosta - the 2005 Footlocker National High School Cross
Country Champion who was finally injury free this year and had run sub
24 minutes for 8K - finished in 161st place in 31:42.
Biggest Thrill for Me: For the first time ever, the video was streamed to Ecuador and I got to watch the race live!! The quality
wasn't great (because our internet connection isn't great) but I was
happy! Woo-hoo!
Biggest Need for improvement in TV coverage: the finish
line. Every year, the CBS crew shows the winners kicking down the home
straight and crossing the line. Then, instead of showing the rest of
the top finishers sprinting down the stretch for team points and All
American finishes, the camera focuses on the winner while he walks
around trying to recover. This drives me crazy. I find myself yelling,
"Show the rest of the race!!!!" Both the race for All American and the
team races are still going on while the winner cools down. Someone
needs to convey to CBS that they need to keep the camera focused on the
finish line. (This year, we saw Chelanga & Sambu finish, but missed
the rest of the top 50 ... and therefore the race for the team title ...)
Gotta Love NCAA Cross Country,
David
Note: 2 NCAA Photo Galleries Got Added Last Week: *2nd Men's Photo Gallery Here *2nd Women's Gallery Here
Four Other Happenings Of Note
1) Webb Over Rupp In Silicon Valley Trot Just a few months ago many people were saying Webb was done. We said talent doesn't go away overnight and Webb looks poised for a tremendous 2011.
*TrackFocus
Recap
*Mercury News Recap With Webb Quotes
*LRC Reader Gets Race Photos Word from out West is Webb looks fitter than ever.
*Video: Salazar Talks After The Race, Plus Men's Finish
2) Chiba Ekiden: Japanese College Team Pulls Shocker And Wins They defeated the Japanese national team in the process.
3) Asian Games: Links for full coverage can be found here.
*13.09 For Liu Xiang As He Wins Asian Games Other Asian Games action here.
4) HS XC Enters The Post-Season *Foot Locker Site *NXN Site
Worth a Read (or a Watch)
LRC 800m World Record Holders: Juantorena, Coe, Kipketer And Rudisha All Together In One Room For The First Time Ever We didn't mention it in last weeks' Week That Was, but one of the greatest parts of our sport is its history. And in Monaco two weeks ago the last four world record holders
in the 800m, Alberto Juantorena, Sebastian Coe, Wilson Kipketer and David Rudisha all got together for the first time ever and we were there. Juantorena and Kipketer were like kids in a candy shop, very excited, and asking for photos on their personal cameras. All four stars are clear students of the sport, and by reading our recap or watching the video you'll learn something for sure about our sport or the 800m.
Recommended Reads
*LRC Oklahoma State And Chelanga Repeat!!!
*LRC Sheila Reid Leads Villanova To Repeat Title!!!
*Q&A With Famed Track And Field Journalist James Dunaway
He'll be only the 2nd journalist inducted into the T&F Hall of Fame
and he deserves as much after more than 50 years in the sport. A great guy and an LRC visitor.
*Two Rochester, NY Old Guys Battling It Out To Become 1st Marathoner To Run 1,000 In History
Quotes Of The Day From Last Week
Sunday/Monday: "It (a 1991 article on human limits in the marathon)
concludes that 1:57:58 is possible for 'a hypothetical subject with a VO2max of 84 ml/kg/min, a lactate threshold of 85% of VO2max, and exceptional running economy.' ... The key for me is that the athlete with
a VO2max that high never has an exceptional running economy, so it is much like trying to find a motor vehicle with a 6 liter engine that also
gets you 80 miles to the gallon (and those are the kind of unrealistic figures we're talking in combination)."
- Ross Tucker writing in the latest Science of Sport
article to speculate on the limits of human performance, what determines those limits and what indicators we can measure to tell if we're really approaching unbreakable barriers. Tucker points out that predictions about human limitations will always involve assumptions and may overlook as-yet-unknown aspects of physiology, but at some point, something has to budge - the perfect athlete who tests the highest in every facet of running physiology is unlikely to exist. There must be
limits imposed by our tendons/muscles/brains. The article also links to LetsRun's piece (which includes exclusive video) of the Monaco meeting of the last four 800m world record holders.
Friday/Saturday: "[Bill Rodgers] runs on a fuel far more exotic than
gasoline. A day's intake totals some 4,000 calories (vs. a normal 2,500
calories) made up of large amounts of milk, soda and fruit juice, plus
such junk foods as chocolate-chip cookies, olives, pickles, Fritos,
ketchup, horseradish, tartar sauce, potato chips and various dips
involving quarts of mayonnaise ...
Following a hard workout he occasionally indulges in a gin and tonic, a
sombrero or a piƱa colada. He avoids tobacco, although he was a
pack-a-day smoker until five or six years ago. Ten hours' sleep
refreshes him for the next day's run."
- Quote from a 1978 People Magazine article about Bill Rodgers posted by jaguar1 on the message board thread Hey Pete Gilmore/BroJos (re: front page quote). We highly recommend the Rodgers article.
- Colorado coach Mark Wetmore talking in the Denver Post after his men finished 15th - their lowest showing at NCAAs since 1989. We gotta give the guy props, as very few coaches would say something like this to the press.
Tuesday: "In 2008, it came down to the same spot and I let it go. Today I said I wasn't going to let it go."
- Repeat NCAA individual cross-country champion Sam Chelanga of Liberty, talking about the finishing straight which resulted in victory on Monday but runner-up status in 2008. Chelanga's victory was harder than expected while Oklahoma State's was easier. On the women's side, Villanova and Sheila Reid were the victors and team title #9 overall and #2 in a row was much sweeter than the first according to the Wildcats' #2 Amanda Marino, who cried after the score was announced and told the Daily Times, "Winning one championship is tough. To do it twice is amazing. The second one is so much sweeter."
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